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Download the 2008 CSFL schedule now......
File date Feb. 2, 2008
Click here to download the 2008 CSFL Schedule and Entry form, UPDATED 1.67MB
Note: there have been no date changes; 2 pike events have been deleted from the schedule; and the Quinte Pro/Am has been dropped as well.
After looking at the revised schedule I noticed that the prize amounts for the BM 100 are the same as last year but the entry fee is up to $250???
The Bassmania tour entry fee is the same with the 1st prize being $8000 and the BM100 1st prize is still $5000 based on a full field.
Doesn't make much sense to me...
A little simple math
150 Boats @ 250 each=37500
Total payouts= 21425
Difference= 16075
Someone does alright in this series
And the numbers are even more lop sided in the BM100
$16,000.00 A DAy times what 20 days= $320,000.00
hmmmmm
You should call Andy, he can explain the breakdown to you. Sometimes just adding some numbers together won't give you an idea of the bigger picture. ;)
I'm not concerned with how much they make because we never get a full field and they do have alot of overhead to consider. All I want to know is why the payouts arent' the same as the 1 days when the entry fee is.
numbers are numbers, they add up,
The numbers are just something to look at, some series pay back almost all they take in, some pay back more than they take in(maybe, have to see what the fields are with WFN) and some seem to do make a fairly good margin at the end of the day.
And if anyone can explain how it can cost $16,000.00 aday to run a fishing tourny should run for government, I dont care but I just like to add things up, if folks are happy with the numbers, great
if the entry fees are the same between the bm100 and the bassmania then the payouts should be the same also......same fee but a 3000 difference in payout......seems a bit odd
I had concerns about the payouts before as well. But you have to READ where the payouts come from.
65% paid back at EVERY event. 15% held back to go towards the CLASSIC (which is a NO ENTRY FEE EVENT). That's 80% "paid back" at every event (technically ... as the 15% is paid back in the final event of the season)
There is NEVER 150 boats in a field. I think the closest was 125 last season on Balsam .... like 125 or something .... and it was because it was a "double field" event.
Might want to rework the numbers a little more based on the REAL figures (approx 75 teams per field on average), and realize there is quite a bit of fixed costs involved, help in running the tourney, permits, and all kinds of other costs. And once again .... when it all boils down to it .... its everyone CHOICe to fish these events based on the structure presented to them !
Rest assured .... if the entry fees are the same ... the payouts are going to be the same .... ask Andy or others associated with this program to clarify.
Guys, again, this is not the place to ask questions that Bruce or anyone else can't answer. Ask Andy, go right to the horses mouth and get it first hand and not "I heard" or "I thought" or "this guy said" just go to the source and stop the here say in its spot.
I think we are all sick and tired about hearing why this or why that when it is very simple to go to the CSFL web site and ask your questions there and get it straight up!
Stay tuned guys. Bruce was sent the wrong link.
Thanks George,
I assumed something was wrong with that. I called Andy but no one answered. I'm not going to bother the guy on a Saturday night.. I'm sure he has better things to do..
Ya no kidding. Rest assured, the payouts for the BM's and the BM100's are the same.
Give Bruce a little time to get the right schedule.
The new file is uploaded now, thanks George!!
Let me know if there are any problems with this one.
BTW, whenever there is something questioned about CSFL don't be shy, let us know right away because we always get quick answers and fixes from Andy! If this hadn't been brought up it might not have been caught so quickly.
Thanks Bruce.
I guess everyone should be happy now.
Small correction, 157 boats at the Casey Cup Ken.Quote:
Originally posted by KenWelsh
There is NEVER 150 boats in a field. I think the closest was 125 last season on Balsam .... like 125 or something .... and it was because it was a "double field" event.
Barry, the CSFL works on a 80% payout, final payout amounts will reflect that. And the 20% CSFL keeps isn't all profit, they pay insurance, employees, site fees, equipment, etc. etc. etc. plus they are one of the few left who DON'T charge an entry fee for their Classic. They don't make out quite as well as you imply.Quote:
Originally posted by BarryWalters
A little simple math
Someone does alright in this series
And the numbers are even more lop sided in the BM100
$16,000.00 A DAy times what 20 days= $320,000.00
hmmmmm
I'm not wanting to get too far into this one but if memory serves the last tournament series that claimed to pay back more than they collected in entry fees went bankrupt and many people didn't get paid, not just once but twice......
Well let's see I may get all kinds of backlash for this oh well, however I tend to agree with Bruce, the amount of hours that Vita and Andy put towards these events is incredible.
Sure some anglers out there may be upset at times cause do to Andy making or may not making some questionable calls during his growth period from the early days of having 10 to 20 boats attend his tournament series, I believe that it has always provided the Bassmania series and their team with opportunuites to grow and NOT fold up like other series, he as stayed in the game and pursued. Look at the series today, and it continues to grow.
He has always made sure the Anglers were paid to my knowledge, and for the most part has run a STABLE series, and continues to offer that stability. Other tournament series have come and gone, and Vita and Andy are still there provide a series for the Anglers.
Think about it if Bassmania did not have a series a lot of guys and gals would most likely not be fishing do to the high cost of other tournaments.
I just want to thank Vita and Andy for their series, and the amount of work, dedication and awareness that they bring to the sport.
Looking forward to fishing their series full time this year.
:clap:clap:clap
Well said Ernest
I've fished Bassmania when the average turn out was 30 -40 boats, now do the math. Not much left to pay for food, travel expenses, clothes for the kids, etc. If Andy and Vita are now finally making some money, more power to them, that's the Canadian Dream isn't it?
If effort, personality, dedication were money these folks would be millionaires.
Simply, if you don't like the game, no one asked you to play. Start your own series. I looked into just that this winter, and quite frankly the math doesn't work for me. And guess who was one of the first to call offering support?
Andy and Vita
Here's a tip,, show up at an event and work with the Bassmania crew for the day, they earn every cent.
Pat
Thank you Pat! they really do earn every cent and work very hard at it as well! up by 3am or earlier most days, set up the equipment etc. For morning registration, set up the stage etc. Run the weigh in. Tear it down. etc. Get to the next location, fix or clean and or repair any equipment that may need servicing, then to the hotel, in bed by 11p.m. or later. Somewhere squeezing in a meal or at times a wonderful BBQ at the site before we leave.Quote:
Originally posted by Pat Kennedy
Here's a tip,, show up at an event and work with the Bassmania crew for the day, they earn every cent.
Pat
Then it starts all over again! Though I am only speaking on behalf of my part-time employer Vita and Andy. I can safely say every circuit out there does the same thing. Its definitely for the love of the sport!! and the free coffee and donuts when anglers are generous to the staff in the mornings.
Personally my thoughts are, 20% is a small drop in the bucket!! There are costs for insurance, equipment upgrades etc. Biggest cost fuel!! not all sites have electricity and they have to use at least 3 generators at a time. Fuel for 3 trucks, 2 live release boats as well.
We fill them up every night. There are so many small things people need to think about when it comes to running an event. Think owning a boat over a year is costly. I'd say multiple it by 20 times then you might have an idea on the cost of a tournament circuit is.
peace
Ken
p.s. I promise to not be involved in any near sinkings of a live release boat this coming season. ?LOL
I stand corrected Bruce .... there were more than 150 boats in that event ... but ... i was attempting to prove a point to others that seem to always get their exercise jumping to conclusions on this site or anywhere else.
The info for calculating realistic stats are available if others would look for them. The point does come down to whether or not you agree with the practices set forth by ANY trail ... its your choice to make ... not based on what ONE person thinks. I don't believe that anyone else runs events to the standards that CSFL is currently undertaking and they are always improving .... that's the exciting part ! The introduction of class payback this year is tremendous as well. Something else that didn't have to be done but was obviously well thought out and believed to be beneficial to the anglers again.
Quick question for anyone that might know about the Class paybacks at the Classic .... a) are the amounts listed on the registration sheet guarenteed ? ( or based on a %'age of the total CLASSIC purse) and b) I'm assuming that these paybacks are based on three days of competition. I'm just impressed that the forsight was there to give class paybacks .... I think its another step closer to allowing more teams to compete for additional money. (cause we all know that this ISN"T a cheap sport)
its guaranteed that the cheque is good. does anything else matter?
Please, bring on the open water. I can't wait to do battle on Rice again !!
I agree Mike Bring it on bass season!!!!!
And that's not ment to hijack this post....it's so frustrating to read unfounded discrediting. 2 weeks till The Boat and Fishing Show !! ( that means 4 days out of the pouring shop :D)
Ahhh c'mon Ken, after the dismal beating that Sturgeon put on us at the Huck tourney, that brought a big smile to my face.
That is one of those things that will stick to you for the rest of your life buddy!
I agree Mike, frustrating isn't it. I'm off to Florida next weekend, sick of shovelling this white stuff! Back in time for the new show.
Pat
Hey Pat, the hut is out , I'll let you know next time I'm up.
Pat I know your right, but what will stick for me is, seeing Jacob when I glanced up front seeing him sitting on the front deck smiling from ear to ear as the boat did the donut spiral of doom as everyone held up their camera phones. ?LOL
Mike are you and Mary doing the CSFL Easterns this year or the Quinte Fishing Series?
Wow.......no internet connection for two days and I miss all the excitment!!!!
The percentages have always been the same guys. The Bassmania 1-days and the BM100's have always paid out 80% and all that has changed over the years is the pay-out structure, not the percentage paid out.
Some anglers like top heavy pay-outs, some like to see it distributed down the line more but 80% has always been 80%.
Some may say the CSFL has standed the test of time. I yell at Andy more then Vita at times I'm sure but there obviously doing something right. It's only February right?????!!!!!
Take care,
Craig
Billy
Is the ice safe on Haliburton Lake? With this crazy winter, and now rain and plus 7 for tomorrow, we might need the boat sooner than we think. Mark McMaster checked Soyers the other day and only about 6" in front of his palce. Unreal for February!!
Floater coats will be the order of the day for the rest of this season. An ex CO put his sled through Kashag the other day as well.
Any one know a half decent reasonably priced guide for Okechobee? We are stating in Port St. Lucie next week and I see that the lake isn't too far away. I emailed Roland Martin Marina last night to see about prices availability etc.
Just a thought, I didn't make it out last time we were down, one of these times maybe
Pat
I think I just hijacked this post
whoops Sorry Bruce
Hey Ken, just the CSFL Easterns, TIPS and a few BASS opens. The rest of the time is slotted for Hannah as we intend to get her out in the boat a lot this summer.Quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth Hamilton
Pat I know your right, but what will stick for me is, seeing Jacob when I glanced up front seeing him sitting on the front deck smiling from ear to ear as the boat did the donut spiral of doom as everyone held up their camera phones. ?LOL
Mike are you and Mary doing the CSFL Easterns this year or the Quinte Fishing Series?
Pat , good to go! 6inches clear , 4inches of white..
Hey Mike,
You could feel worse...you could be Tom Brady!!!
Peace
Dan
18 or 19 ? and 1 ...oh well what's one little loss at the end
LOL...Ya the only one that really counts!!
Peace
Dan